Gig Booking….A Rant.
Tuesday, July 12th, 2011
Gig booking was something that I looked at as being as simple as toasting bread. My initial idea was that you just selected your date, picked a band, advertise and then bingo, it all worked out. This may be one of the biggest misconceptions that I have had since working in music circles.
The last 2 years have seen me and my colleagues put on shows through Podcart, but also when I took up the roll as manager over a year ago my opinions have changed dramatically. The feeling I get with booking shows on behalf of my artist sometimes is like getting to the Great Riddle Gate in the Neverending Story, only to be judged by two sphinxes. Sometimes you get through by the skin of your teeth and other times you just get blasted and collapse into a pile of grainy sand.
Podcart have put on numerous shows and we never take profit. The artists/engineer gets everything and that is it. Yeah there have been times where we have had to take out of our own pocket, and so be it. The artist has effectively come down to entertain for the evening, lugged all their equipment down and it providing entertainment for others. Why not be paid?
A lot of promoters in Scotland work the same way. There are some bigger guns that work on a pay to play basis, but generally I have not had a truly bad experience as a band manager in this country. Promoters such as Gathering Whispers, Cry Parrot, Ragdoll Promotions, Lost & Found, Pelmet Nites, AGP Promotions and many more. A lot of which you can find on this site: http://www.musicpromoterdirectory.co.uk. Additionally, folks/bloggers such as Matthew Young of Song, By Toad have also begin to put on a series of excellent shows in Edinburgh. Venues such as Bloc should have notable mentions. Chris and his team and Crag Carrick before him have always put on shows and hardly ever charge on the door. The artist gets a fee and they put on a number of touring bands. The money they make is over the bar and it really is a great thing they do.
Having a booking agent is a bonus. Having worked with Select Booking Agency and AGP Booking Agency, I can say they have been truly brilliant in what they do. They work exceptionally hard for their artists and whilst they do take a percentage of each show booked it really is fuck all. The band gets the majority and it is done in a professional way. The booking agents have set up a network of contacts and so as time goes on their roster choice is trusted. This of course may not be the case for all booking agencies, but in my experience I have had a good run.
When it comes to bad promoting this is when I just want to bang my fat head off a wall till it is a bloodied pulp. I have spent the last 2-3 months trying to book a UK run of shows for the artist I manage. The mass press email has gone out with the inclusion of those press quote pieces of gold that will make a promoter/venue light up and think cha-ching. London has been one of the worst experiences for booking shows. The number of pay to play venues is ridiculous and also the number of venues that work on a ‘bring your own fans’ hierarchy is depressing. For example Bug Bear Promotions say bring over a certain number of fans and we will give you X amount. They use Dublin Castle as a venue and shove on 4 artists. They don’t give a fuck about what artists go on in terms of what will work best and the people doing the door are just employed to sit like an auditor and count people. It is as close to a musical battery farm than you can get.
This second time round has been better, but it still seems that there is such a short amount of decent DIY promoters and instead is some arsehole sitting wondering what his next money making scheme is going to be when in actual fact he could not give a fuck about the bands or music in any way whatsoever.
So to add a positive spin to this then I would like to highlight some promoters/venues/nights outside of Scotland that are actually awesome. Firstly in Liverpool there is Harvest Nights in Liverpool that uses MelloMello. Adam is the promoter and loves music and cares about the nights he puts on. Next up is For The Love of Folk in Hemel Hempstead, London. Melody is the organiser and runs her night at Indy Jax. It is a beautiful wee venue and is perfect for folk/acoustic artists. She is proactive and her love and passion for music shows. Next up is Shaun Litton that runs from The Wilmington Arms. He knows London like the back of his hand and has been running gigs for years. He also has a great number of contacts. These are a few of the gooduns.
I really could have written another 2000 words on this subject and it is by no means everyone’s experience, but I just got to the point of having enough and needed a rant.
Glasgow Podcart will actively be trying to put on as many gigs as we can from now on. It will not just be for grass roots and unsigned, but it will be a combination of touring artists, established artists and the unsigned. By mixing it up everyone gets a fair chance and it still brings a focus to the live community we have. We have our first official gig outside of Glasgow on August 29th with a touring American artist called Courtney Marie Andrews that was recommended by Adam Thompson of We Were Promised Jetpacks. First listen and I was blown away. We will also be doing our first show in Inverness, the line-up is Godly and I cannot wait to announce it.
As for the rest of the country I really want to now start building up a network of really good DIY promoters. Essentially the idea would be to get a decent promoter in each major city/town in the UK and if a band is looking to tour then perhaps that whole network could organise a straight run for them. It would be a massive initiative and something that would effectively prove that things can be done. Maybe, even a more established artist could skip the big promoters and use this network as a one off to get it kick started. Who knows, maybe I am being ambitious, but hey what the fuck is life without a bit of ambition and fire. Let’s see how this pans out.
Halina x

15 Comments on “Gig Booking….A Rant.”
July 12th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
This sounds like a PLAN. Perhaps a website of peer reviewed promoters where artists/managers can post their experiences and recommendations. I know these things are open to abuse, but if enough people get involved then it should create broadly the right opinions about each promoter and give people travelling from afar half a chance of not being ripped off.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
My band were offered a support slot at the Edge Festival, but DF wanted us to cancel all gigs for four weeks on either side of the show, which seemed ridiculous. We much prefer working with small promoters because – although I’m sure most people at DF love music and want to do their utmost to support new bands – I think with a large promoter the love of music can get tied up in trying to protect business interests.
Also, very good news about PodcArt putting on more shows.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Feel your pain. Booking England, especially London has been difficult in the past – and it’s FAR too costly for bands to take the chance.
As far as Scotland goes, there is definitely a sense of community between some promoters who work to route sensible tours for bands. Guys such as Gordon from the Old Bridge Inn in Aviemore, Steven from the Lemon Tree in Aberdeen and Nick from Sneaky Pete’s in Edinburgh have all been really helpful, are all fair, and all love music.
Something a little more official would be really helpful – but what would be even more helpful is a UK wide community so we don’t have to suffer shit pay to play in a toilet to no-one in London shows.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Good luck! That’s a worthy enterprise.
I’ve only ever experienced these problems as part of a band, but I understand completely where you’re coming from.
On yrsel’!
July 12th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Excellent idea Halina. I think Steve has the right idea with the website though. A website with a map of the UK linking each promoter across the different cities, giving you further information when clicking on said cities etc. A sort of social networking site for bands and promoters sounds excellent.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
promoters who don’t love putting on shows shouldn’t be promoters, that’s what I always find. Unfortunately it’s offten the case that there are 2 other types of promoters; the ones who just think this might be a way to make some cash with no effort and the type (who are arguably worse) who just like the idea of being a promoter so they can say, “oh yah, I’m a music promoter’, problem with this is they tend to not have a fucking clue. That’s why I try and only play for promoters i know, like or have been recomended, that way you get much better friendships going and that’s what gigging is about for me. anyway, good blog and good work, keep it up, network the shit outta it. seriously. xx
July 12th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
would like to highlight a couple of promoters i’ve worked with who are really genuine and really DO care about music. the kids are solid gold in newcastle/middlesborough, one of the best promoters we’ve ever worked with, just love putting on great shows and always make sure everyone’s happy. great guys!
also, ash kowalisky who runs nation of shopkeepers in leeds is a great promoter, before we’d even soundchecked he came out with a crate of beer, some wine, nibbles and an easter egg and paid us straight up. was a great way to start a show.
July 12th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Well said Halina. Feel your pain as well.
I can see the reasons behind what DF do with their rules for bands playing shows either side of theirs. Obviously they need to fill somewhere like King Tuts on a nightly basis and will have targets to meet so a band playing too many shows is obviously going to dillute the number of people going to see each show. I personally dont use such rules but it can be frustrating when a local support has played a show a few days before. Esentially with the breaking artists I quite often promote there has to be some sort of reliance on the local bands taking a decent crowd.
That said, pay to play places are an absolute joke – have had so many offers from London with the same “take 50 people – get paid” idea – eh no, how about you put on artists you have a passion for, promote the hell out of it, book suitable supports and actually do your job. That these people call themselves promoters is a joke.
I regularly take a chance on new bands in the hope that they grow and so will continue to come back to us in the future. Sometimes I take a hit but hey ho, thats part of the job. I could make more money chucking 4 pub rock bands on than I do from booking touring bands but its not about that.
There must be at least one decent promoter in each city that is into music and is into taking a chance with new bands. Its not like the fees we are asking for are going to break them really now is it!
July 13th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
I’d also like to mention Craig and Phil from Wolf Amongst Wolves as 2 of the good guys also. They ALWAYS pay bands and look after touring bands particularly well – vegan or not!
July 13th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
I have to agree with everything you’ve said; this is definitely a worthy enterprise. I’ve just got back in to booking gigs and it is such a pain in the arse; finding decent promoters is such a minefield.
It’s always pissed me off when you try and book a gig in a town you’ve never been and get asked how many people you’ll bring. How the fuck am I supposed to be able to bring people if I’ve never played here before?!
Also, love Steve’s idea of a website.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Fantastic to read this, as I have just spent the morning trailing through DIY promoters websites and found most of them way out-of-date. Would recommend Interesting Music Promotions in Aberdeen, though, who treat the bands really well.
September 19th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Good post Halina. We at Industry Music are the exclusive booking agents for a number of artists, including stars from The X Factor and Britain’s Got Talent. If you have any more events coming up, give us a call!
September 22nd, 2011 at 4:12 pm
these are 2 shows that i hate. i think you really need to read the article.
September 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Nice to see Industry Music missing the point entirely there.
September 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Great article/rant, I agree with much of what you say, from an artist/band’s point of view… we’ve been slowly building up a list of contacts for gigs, etc, often in my case from good gigs I’ve been to as a punter or performer. A couple of names for the ‘good’ list from Dundee: Matthew at Duke’s Corner, Wayne at DD Promotions. Looking forward to what comes out of of this
Ed